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Nothing Left Unsaid
Nothing Left Unsaid on self care, feminist literature, and immigration reporting with Sahara Sajjadi
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This week, we’re joined by journalist, activist, certified icon, and friend of the pod, Sahara Sajjadi. You might know Sahara from her video series “What’s the Deal, Arizona?”, or from her incredible articles at the Copper Courier where she shines a light on Arizona politics.
We truly talk about EVERYTHING in this episode. From feminist literature, to tariffs, to the best Iranian food in AZ–you won’t want to miss this.
Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Nothing Left Unsaid. I'm your host, Abigail, and I'm so excited to be here for an interview today with Sahara Sajadi from Copper Courier. Thank you so much for being here today. We're really excited to have you on.
SPEAKER_03Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. This is like a dream come true. Um, everybody knows that the measure of success in Arizona is to be on your podcast.
SPEAKER_00So I made it. That is really exciting to hear. Thank you for that. Um, we've definitely been wanting to have you on pretty much since the first season. So really excited we can make that happen. That is so romantic. Um, so I guess we'll get right into it. Um, before your current job at Copper Courier, what first got you interested in politics?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so my both my parents were journalists in Iran before they came here. And so I think, you know, there was just like a natural affinity towards news and politics. Um and just growing up in a really political household where the news is on all day. Um, and then at the time, like growing up, I didn't this this wasn't top of mind, but I was it was a very political existence, and I didn't realize that until probably I came to political consciousness in high school when I learned about different um aspects of society and how it impacted me in unique ways. Um, so prior to my role in journalism, I always had a passion for um combating inequality and inequity, and then um pursuing social justice and those endeavors. And so I did different things. I worked in sexual violence prevention, I worked for different like nonprofits and causes that matter to me. Um, but I was always really passionate about um communication and storytelling, and that's probably the genetics, right? Like my parents were journalists, and then I um have more of an affinity for speaking and for writing. And so once um, it's actually funny because in um high school I started like tweeting, right? Just like my thoughts and um explaining things, and you know, I'm just 14, but it randomly got an audience, right? Like I got followers within my city of people who were listening, and I was like, wait, people care. Like, um like people at different high schools knew me from Twitter. Like I have friends to this day, and they're like, How do you know each other? I'm like, Twitter. Um, so just like growing up in a highly politicized world and having like a political existence as like a Middle Eastern person um in a post-9-11 world. Totally, you know, like that was just very plus things that were really hard for me growing up, um, once I came to political consciousness and understood them, that's when I was like, wait, and then there's like a way to remedy that, and it's to talk about our experiences and to talk about other people's experiences and shine a light on them. Um, so yeah, prior to politics, I just had those passions um and it came, and then once I got older and I was like, I'm gonna pursue journalism. Um, so yeah, that's a little bit about what I did prior to politics.
SPEAKER_00Well, the the passion for storytelling definitely shows through. Um, when did you when did you kind of start your journalism trajectory, I guess?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, um, I really like this question because there is such a standout moment for me. Um when I was in, well, okay, so growing up, um I, as I said, always had an affinity for writing. I had like a home news, like a little newspaper about what everybody in my house was doing. Oh, that's so cute. I love that. So I have to send it to you. It's called home news. Please. It's adorable. Um sometimes I would like film myself relaying the news. I have it. Um and so there was that. And then in um fifth grade, we had these spelling tests, and I kept, not to flex, but I kept getting hundreds.
SPEAKER_00Um and so spelling bee queens right here.
SPEAKER_03They're like, oh, like let's spell. And so my teacher was like, okay, we're you just need to start a class newspaper. I'm not gonna keep making you take these tests that you're getting hundreds on. I was like, okay, great. So I started um the class newspaper. Um I was the editor. Um, I also had like a fashion section. Nice. I would always be like, who did it better?
SPEAKER_00Like, um, so that was really fun. Was that like celebrities who did it better or people at your school?
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, I wish it was people at my school. I was celebrities. I'd get like suspended. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so I did that. Um and then the really stand-up moment, as I was saying, where I decided I was gonna pursue um journalism and storytelling. Um, I went to Iran in 2022, um, and I was with my cousin um and her friend, and we were at the top of the mountain. It's called Darvan's uh mountain, it's so marvelous. Um it's you can take a bus and it's like uh five minutes to get to the top, or you can walk, which is like 20 minutes, and then you have a very marvelous view of um Tehran, like the city. It was at nighttime. I was only there for two weeks, and so I was telling my family member, like, Oh, I I love it here. It's so nice here, like I'm having so much fun. And then I came back down um because you know, then my cousin was like, Well, yeah, you're um you're a tourist, right? Like you're American, you're gonna go back, you're only here for two weeks. The things that you don't like are temporary, you don't have to deal with it the way we do, who don't have um Iranians have some of the uh highest rate of visa rejections um from the US, so it's really hard for them to migrate. Um and so once they relayed that to me, how difficult their day-to-day was, um, and I remember it so vividly, just looking out at the city and hearing them talk, um, hearing them t say that to me, and then they they added, but what can we do? Like if we say out anything about our bad economic conditions, if we say anything about um how terrible the country is, the codified misogyny, all these things, they'll throw us into prison. But then they added, but you can like you can go to America, you can speak on our behalf, you can do all the right stories. Yeah, exactly. And so that was such a like a large scale, right? Like I was in Iran, now I'm in America, Arizona doing stuff uh pertaining to Arizona and both of my passions, you know, Arizona and Iran. Um and so in that moment I really understood the impact of the written and the spoken word. Um, I'm also a student of history, like I love to read, I love to learn about um different historical and political movements. Um, documenting is one of the most important and pivotal things that you can do.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like and you know, sometimes you don't see um the benefits in that moment, maybe not even in your lifetime, but sometimes it comes way, way later, right? Um, sometimes it never comes at all. You don't know how it's gonna go. Right. But at least we have that documentation um and people who are willing to write it down and willing to document the truth. Um, and I think that's especially um critical right now when you have um like a federal government that isn't um honest, right, to say the least. Um exactly, and so yeah, that moment uh at Tappa uh on top of Dad Bands Mountain um is really when I was like, I'm gonna pursue journalism. And then I finished my senior year at ASU. I was studying political science, women's studies, and justice studies, and then I um did the master's program at Cronkite, and it's been a dream come true ever since.
SPEAKER_00Well, uh Arizona is definitely lucky to have you documenting and storytelling for all the stuff that's going on here and how that connects, you know, federally and also globally. So definitely really appreciate the work that you're doing, and they're very lucky to have you. Um I had one question. So, what's What's the Deal Arizona is an incredible video series that you've started where you give us the lowdown on recent Arizona news in a short and easily digestible format. I'm wondering what was the inspiration before um behind starting the series, and what kind of reactions have you seen from Arizonians on this?
SPEAKER_03So as I mentioned, I'm very passionate about documenting, very passionate about writing and storytelling. Um, and we also have to admit that this is a completely changed media landscape. People aren't really reading as much, long form, much to my dismay. I wish they were. Like, I love reading, love writing. Most of us went into this profession profession to write. Um, and so we were thinking like, what if something we can create that will capture the attention of Arizonans, capture the attention of folks who might not be as involved in the political realm, but they might stop and watch. And so we landed on a video series, right? We have to admit that the media landscape people really like videos. People love TikTok, people love Instagram Reels. Very familiar. And so we were like, okay, we can still make this news accessible and tangible just in a different way. I can still write and I write my scripts. Um, I just not written form. So it's it's a different craft because you have to be more concise, you have to I struggle with that. Yeah, same. Because like when I turn in articles, they're like 3,000 words, and my editor's like, hey, put this down. Exactly. So that's why we landed on a video series, um, because I think it could, we we knew it could do the most amount of good, make the most amount of change, and to capture folks's attention um in a meaningful way. And like you mentioned, they're bite-sized. Um, that's something we discussed. It shouldn't be ideally, it should be less than two minutes and um not never more than three um because nobody has the attention span. Um, every video starts with like a hook to capture people's attention. Um, we have like it's very formulaic at this point. Um it takes time and it, you know, there's a whole team behind it. But that was really the motivation behind it. And we also I something I really value about um where I work is that they were like, we need to see like what is it that makes you you and like let's tap into that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The branding is very you, which I love.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like I I love that I'm just like in my gold hoops and like I have my hair and I'm in my bright pink Barbie dream house room, you know. Um, and like have personality. That's another thing we really wanted to focus on is not being a not to be mean to like news anchors, but not be like boring and like this is the news, like that's boring, you know, and people don't want to be bored. And we're learning that like podcasts are doing really well. Like um, videos, like things that are entertaining and informative can make the most change. Absolutely. So we were uh courier is really about meeting the political moment and the change media landscape, and so that was a big component um behind the video series, and um it's been successfully launched, and we have three videos a week. Um, and it's supposed to be a little bit like not entirely, but like a little bit gossipy, like what's the deal? Yeah, like what's the tea? Um, and I think we've um we've done a good job, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00I definitely agree you guys are killing it with that. Um kind of on the same note, I'm wondering if there's a moment that kind of really made it sink in for you, how drastically the media landscape has changed.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Um, I think so, like I mentioned, I got my following from Twitter, like in um in high school in like 2016. The thing about Twitter back then, well, it was Twitter, first of all, right then, and the feed ended at some point. Oh my god. It's so bad.
SPEAKER_00Uh not an endless. So bad, dude. I know, right? Um like I'm fully caught up and now I'm done.
SPEAKER_03I know. I could read I could refresh for literally 10 days straight and never end. It's so awful. But um, yeah, like back then it used to end. Back then you used to see who you followed and following, etc. I actually and I felt like I learned back then, right? Like it wasn't perfect back then. I was still big media, big tech, whatever, but I learned more on tick Twitter than I do today. Um now I feel like I noticed in um 2020, um, probably during COVID, once everything became really online, and there's so many, so many different social media apps, so many different pages, there's pages for everything. Um, there's niches I've never even heard of. Yeah. Like there's really a whole other internet out there than what I see. And I noticed that when I talk to people in person and I'm like, did you see this? And they're like, no. And I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_00Completely different corners of the internet.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. There's so many pockets. And so I think like post-2020, um, there was just so many changes, and it got really concerning. Um, out of start, I I there's also just so many bad faith actors, right? Um, journalists in the past um were bound by the fairness doctrine, which is like uh for broadcast mainly, but I I still liked the premise of you have tools that other like regular non-journalists don't have access to, and because of that, you have to be um more honest, more balanced with your coverage, more fair. And I thought that was good. There were still flaws at the time and in practice, um, but that's good, right? But now, with an abundance of different mediums, people aren't bound by that. No, right? Like people are they have their own interests, their desires. People want clout and they're willing to lie, distort truth, sensationalize, sensationalize, spread conspiracy theories, just very dishonest stuff with the end goal of gaining traction and gaining a following. Because if you gain a following, that's where the money comes in, right? So it's really concerning algorithms, and that's something that we try to be mindful, and I especially try to be mindful of, is because um, like with this change media landscape, there's more of a responsibility on those of us who are not bad faith actors to not engage with that, to to give the news, um, to make it accessible and tangible and not make conspiracy theories and not take advantage of people because at the end of the day, it's like what it is, right? Like it's taking advantage of vulnerable people who are more susceptible to like conspiracies. Um, so yeah, post-2020 is when I noticed everything was changing and blowing up, and then it just um it just got worse every year after that.
SPEAKER_00Yep, and continuing to. Um, so you've talked a bit about your you know, your Twitter presence and all of that, and as someone who also has a very online presence, I'm wondering how do you deal with the internet haters? Because I'm sure you get them, as do I.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, yeah. Um, I there's so I get a lot. Um I've gotten a lot of comments for for years, um, even prior to this role from like Iranian people who just like don't like me or like my family or whatever, like political dispositions. Um, and now with courier, I get um not a lot of hate comments, but enough, you know. Um we do get so much love on the other hand, which is incredible. Yeah. Um, the way I've dealt with it for years, and like ironically, the hate I got from like a lot of Iranians um helped me prepare for the like now. Um it's compartmentalization, right? Like, whenever I think about the hate people were sending me, a lot of the times it's just like an insult. But if you really look at it, like I told you, I studied women's studies, right? And I love theory.
SPEAKER_00Also feminist, well, we have a very similar like college uh degree point yeah. Yeah, besides that I didn't go to journalism school, but yes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like it just love all things feminist, all things justice, all the things. So if you look at the insults, like on the surface, it's just an insult. At its core, it's usually misogynistic, it's usually sexist. Like, and I've taken time to look at like male video content creators, they're not getting comments like I hate your voice. No, your hair's ugly, your lipsticks. I'm like, this is so misogynistic.
SPEAKER_00And so how like as if our hair lipstick was different, they would take our point.
SPEAKER_03I know. I'm like, you just hate me and what I'm saying, and for some reason, you're like, and your hair looks bad. Like, um, and no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.
SPEAKER_00Also, that beautiful hair.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Um, yeah, so just like compartmentalizing it as like, okay, this is a mean comment, but it doesn't mean anything. And I I think of it from the perspective of like how much has this person suffered, especially if it's like a woman commenting something misogynistic or sexist. I'm like, how much of your own life has been made harder because you're you're subduing yourself and dulling yourself down for like a male patriarchal world? Like, I don't want to do that. That's really boring to me. Um, and like so I think about it from that perspective of like having empathy for folks who are commenting things like that because um I can't I'm I'm so grateful that I've always like been able to express myself and be who I want to be, even in this role. Like you just said, my branding is very meat, like it's bright pink, and I'm grateful for that. It makes life more fulfilling. And so I think about it from that perspective um of like they don't have the tools in their toolkit that I did and that you do, right? Like, we we studied this stuff, we can recognize it. It's it can be hard to recognize from people who aren't aware.
SPEAKER_00Totally.
SPEAKER_03So having that like empathetic perspective and then just very looking at it logically, like this is logically not true, it's misogynistic, I know better than this, and it also just comes with the territory. Like every front face, like you said, you get hate comments. Every front-facing figure, you could be like I'm doing my job. Exactly. You could literally be like anybody who's ever like anything, and you're gonna get hate comments, right? That's just how the nature of the internet, right? Will they say politics particularly exactly, especially against women, right? Um, will they say that in real life to your face? Probably not. Probably not, yeah, exactly. Like the internet makes people um more bold, but that's kind of how I deal with it. And then it sometimes it's also just a generational divide. Um, like I said, Instagram, they're very nice, they're very kind.
SPEAKER_00Facebook.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we don't talk about it's a scary place sometimes.
SPEAKER_00It really is.
SPEAKER_03And then while I think about it, I'm like, well, yeah, Sahara, who's on Facebook? Like, you know, it's right. It makes sense. You're not my it's not my target demographic. So it makes sense that they would have more like adverse reactions. And then my last and final note on this is that um if you're getting hate, like that that means you're impactful, right? Like you're saying something that people want to silence. Right. And with young women, a common thing that they'll do is that they'll comment on your appearance or your vanity or your this and that, and that's to um subdue you and to dull like your shine. And so I don't give into that. Um, and also having a strong support system is really helpful. Because if they do get to me, I'll just text one of my friends. And they'll be like, exactly, like Rike, you just said your hair is gorgeous. I'll text you, and then you'll just make me feel better. Exactly. What about you?
SPEAKER_00How do you deal with it? Um, pretty much the same. I I posted a video that like some of my TikToks have been blowing up on Facebook recently. And so I get yeah, me too. Um maybe need to look at if we're putting them there still. But I'm getting a lot of comments about like my piercings, um and people be people being like, Oh, saw the profile picture, like knew it. Yeah. Um it's so corny. Fortunately, honestly, they're not like they're not good insults, so maybe if they were better, it would affect me more. But I mostly just find them um funny. They're funny. Like some somebody posted a meme of like holding a like a double, I don't know the names of specific batteries, but like holding a battery to like a subdum piercing. Oh my gosh. Um, and I just thought it was pretty funny. And I sent some screenshots to my friends, and yeah, we just laughed about it pretty much. Yeah, I mean, you guys are not funny, but you are funny, and you're wrong and you're upset because I'm saying something that is provoking you. Exactly. Right? Which is ultimately what I want to do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're trying to get people to talk and to think. On that same note, um, whenever I see like really creative insults, I'm like, you know what? At least they're being creative.
SPEAKER_00You know, somebody said, um, is that the so you know Chapel Roan's like Grammys fit with the the dress with the the like the nip piercing dress. Oh my god. And somebody commented, like, oh, is that the is that Chapel Roan? And I was like, Alright. I was like, thank you. And also that might be my Halloween costume this year because I do love a bit and I will like carry that on.
SPEAKER_03No, it's in a world where like AI is taking over everything, I'm like, you know what? If you guys are thinking and being creative, right, I'll take it. We'll allow back.
SPEAKER_00But also nothing too abusive. Yeah, sure. Um okay, shifting gears a little bit. I'm wondering, like, what are tell me about what are some of your favorite stories to report on?
SPEAKER_03My favorite stories to report on, um, it's tough because like this it's the stories are so like sad. A lot of the stuff I'm reporting on are just really harrowing, right? But um my favorite thing to report on um in general is human-centered, right? Like I write about um issues and topics or what like the GOP is doing or what this Democrat is doing, whatever. That's like, you know, not really provocative. There's not like too much compelling emotion. Um, I really like to center people. Show the impact. Yeah, because um I feel like for me growing up, um, probably for a lot of people, it feels like politics is just a word and it feels really far away. When you think about politics, you think about like DC and like guys in suits. Right. You're not thinking about like my local legislator who like is out in the community, right? Like they're very accessible. I mean, if they should be, but um, you know, so I like to do the human stories that make politics and policy accessible and like humanize them kind of so you can show that it's everywhere, exactly. It's widespread. Here's how it's affecting you, your community, Arizona specifically. Um, and that's come out a lot with like um reporting on um people impacted by Trump's mass deportation agenda and ICE here in Arizona, because like I said, um it feels far away. Maybe it feels even like, oh, you know, that's Minnesota or that's here in the front. Exactly. But it's like, no, here is a mother, here is a business owner, here is someone who added to the community, and now they're in detention. And then they're in detention in really egregious conditions, right? Um, so my favorite stories to report on are stuff that humanize the issue and make it less abstract. Um, and then obviously after the fact, my favorite um component is if a story has been successful in um helping uh whatever it might be. Achieve a different um, yeah. Like we had um a couple of stories where like you know, uh people were able to like spread the word and they got um a con a congress woman's um attention um and now they're getting help, or like Um more um funding to their GoFundMe, whatever it might be, something where it's like there's progress. Every journalist is so thrilled to know that their their writing made a difference.
SPEAKER_00Totally. So you've reported on being in immigration court and seeing children have to represent themselves. Um I'm wondering what is that like? What does it sound like? And what are you seeing in the courtroom? What are the reactions from people as they're seeing, you know, these kids being forced to defend themselves without without attorneys?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that story was um it made waves. It was really impactful um for folks. It really resonated with people. Um it garnered a lot of attention because it's so um harrowing and so compelling um and so unfortunate, right? Like those conditions. Um to walk you through it, what it looks like is well, it's in Tucson, Tucson Immigration Court, which is um two hours from Phoenix, and that means and it's at 8:30 sharp. Oh, so you're you're up getting down. Uh early, yeah. I usually set my alarm for like four in the morning um and then leave the house at like six. Um have you ever driven to Tucson? Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00I grew up uh in Sierra Vista, Arizona, which is a little further. So I've spent a lot of time in Tucson.
SPEAKER_03Oh really? I love Tucson.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I do too. It's okay. Anybody who hates on Tucson they're not welcome. Don't trust them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like I I don't mind the drive, but um at six in the morning for some reason um there's a lot of traffic. I'm like, why are why are you guys going to Tucson?
SPEAKER_00A lot of people commute. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03It's it was really jarring to me. So it's a very long drive. There's usually traffic, and then you get there, you go into the courthouse. Um, it's really somber. Um, it's you know, as you could expect, very somber. Children, right? Um, they usually have shelter staff there with the kids, um, and then the judge, the translator, because most of them their first language is not English, um, and like the court clerk. It's a courthouse, so it's very drab. Like the way I can describe it literally is it's gray, right? And then add the emotions on top of it, it's very unsettling. And then you see kids with, you know, one girl had like a pink bow in her hair. Um, another Lucy, the three-year-old that we reported on, she had a plushie with her. Um, you know, because they're kids. And you know, I'm sure as when we were kids, like I had pink bows in my hair. Right. And stuffed animals and all. Stuffed animals. I'd cry if I lost my stuffed animal. And I can't even imagine having to go to court and then be like, wait, where's my stuffed animal?
SPEAKER_00Luckily they had her stuffed animal. Much less like your family.
SPEAKER_03Exactly, exactly. And so um, it's really jarring, and it's it's jarring from everyone's perspective. Even the judge will um indicate um sorrow. Like she'll always she'll always be like, Oh, she's so cute, or oh, you know, like um it's it's just really it's not an apt environment for a child to be in. And so um it also, I remember there was one kid, he was like 14 and he kept like tapping his leg. Um, and then I I realized it was his turn to go up soon. So then he went up and then he like did um voluntary departure, which a lot of kids opt for voluntary departure because it's scary going against the federal government. Yeah, you know, like who wants to do that at any age, much less um under 18, a minor, a child. Um, and so then he went back to his seat and I noticed he was like visibly calmer. Um, it's really boring for the kids um because they're kids. Right. But it's not like the alternative, it's not like it's better once they leave the courthouse because for the most part, most of them are going back to detention. Um, it's just like uh children's detention, but detention nonetheless.
SPEAKER_00Right, and we're we've seen plenty about how horrible these are.
SPEAKER_03Exactly, like just not good conditions for a child who's um supposed to be watching cartoons, right with dolls. Yeah, especially like by a if we're not protecting kids in our society, what the fuck are we doing? What does that say about like the the country and the the trajectory that we're following? Right. It's really concerning. Um, and so it's just a lot of um sadness in the room. And the lawyers um and the shelter staff, you can tell that they try to get the mood up, um, but it's hard. Like um, and then there's the DHS lawyer um who I've noticed uh she and I I don't know much about her, but I've noticed that she doesn't always like make eye contact with the kids. And I think that's like telling of itself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think that's extremely telling. Yeah, because if you meet eye contact.
SPEAKER_03You're prosecuting one, you're working on behalf of the federal government during mass deportations that are really uprooting people's lives, but you're doing it against a kid who doesn't know any better and who looks at adults as a source of comfort, right? Right? You're supposed to be the protector, you're supposed to protect me. So it's a really um, it's just it's it feels really troubling to be there. It's um just feels like shaking. Um and then yeah, when we reported on it, um, it did really well. Um, and that's because the topic itself, when you read the headline, you're like, what?
SPEAKER_00Like this is so clearly.
SPEAKER_03This is so who who would see that and be like, no, this is like this is a functional society. Yeah, exactly. Like, even the people that recognize that it was wrong, they they're they argue something different. Like they're not like, oh, this is like totally good and fine. But we have to do this, yeah, exactly. Like everybody can probably walk away, like, oh, it's it's concerning to put a kid through immigration court. So it's a really somber experience for everybody involved. It's it's not fun because it's court, and it's especially not fun because it's children in court. Um, and that's why we try to bring as much attention as we can to it as possible. Um, and that's why we're willing to make the commute to Tucson because otherwise, who's gonna advocate for those kids and tell those stories for those kids and make it clear what's happening in our country as a result of mass deportation agenda and the Trump administration?
SPEAKER_00How do you as a like how do you as a person deal with having to report on like such terrible situations? What keeps you kind of grounded in in the work that you're doing?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, um, I think it's so important to have um like a good self-care routine. I think every journalist will tell you that, especially when it's really troubling stuff like this, you know, if I was writing about like entertainment stuff, and that's not to discount entertainment journalists, but it's just like completely different ballpark, um, you know, then I I I think like you just have to you you have to have a good way to like take a moment, know which be very checked in with yourself. Um I have a really strong self-care routine. Um, every weekend I go to the park, nice, read my book, do my cryptograms. Um, another thing that really helps me is just knowing that I'm doing what I can do. You know, like this is the the pen can do a lot. It can't always, it doesn't always change your trajectory. Sometimes things won't get better, but it takes time. Sometimes it takes time, but I'm doing what's available to me right now and in this moment, and that brings me a sense of peace and calm. Because if I wasn't doing anything, if I was just aware that that was happening, then I would probably feel much worse. Yeah. Right? But knowing that okay, I'm using the tools in my toolkit to do what I can to shine light, and then whatever happens next happens next. That's what makes me feel better. So I think for I think that's for a lot of journalists. Um, sometimes sometimes we don't feel good. Like sometimes it really does suck to report on some stories and conditions, but you have to have like the bandwidth and you have to understand like this is the job, and if you don't report on it, it's possible nobody would.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And that's a shame in and of itself.
SPEAKER_00So stuff like that, totally. I I mean, I'm not a journalist, but working in politics, I I definitely feel that heaviness very frequently, but and and I get asked all the time, like, how do you how do you do like how do you do what you do? And my answer is genuinely always like I don't know what else I would be doing. Like this is this is the thing that that I do to like make me feel like I'm doing something about it. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03I would feel worse if I wasn't doing this, right? You know.
SPEAKER_00Has there been any story or interview that stayed with you long after reporting it and what made it so impactful for you?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, um, I think definitely children's immigration court, as we just mentioned for all the reasons before. Um, more recently, just reported on Christian Diaz, um who was the patriarch of his house. The family called the police, and Phoenix PD allegedly came to the scene and um fired a shaw, and Diaz died um as a result. Um, I spoke with his stepson um about what happened, how the family's dealing with things, um, just to get a sense of what had occurred. Um, it was really harrowing. Um, of course, police brutality, um, we know it exists. I'm sure you and I like both grew up seeing videos and hearing stories. Now it was different. I've never reported on it. Um I've never met and interacted and talked with people who have directly been impacted by violence and negligence in that way. So um that really stuck with me, especially because he said the last conversation he had with his stepdad was an argument. And um, you know, it's because how could you know that that's your last interaction with your family member? You don't, and um, it was such a human, an unfortunately human thing. Like, oh, we just had an argument, I didn't know that was the last time. Um, and so that really stood out to me, and I thought it was really important that people hear that story, and whatever semblance of justice um comes as a result is important. And then one more thing that um also stood out to me was that I reported on Judas Rivera, um, who was a 20-year-old, about 20-ish, um, who was on his way to work, lived here his whole life, um, and was apprehended by ICE on his way to work. Um, and speaking with his family, it was his um mom, his sister, I think his cousin, um, yeah, and they three were like just sobbing on the call. It was so, so heartbreaking. Um, and then so we reported on the story, and um what what happened was he was on his way to work and then he got picked up by ICE, and they put ICE uh allegedly put his um location, a country of origin as Afghanistan. He was from Mexico. So they the family was really worried. You know, Trump's doing these third country deportations, yeah. There's no regard for law, like anything could happen. And so um that was something that kept coming up. So we emailed ICE for a statement, hi, um just like a general statement about what happened, and then also like why are you guys not changing? They said that they had asked repeatedly for them to change it, and ICE repeatedly said, No, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Once we emailed them, after so many rejections from the lawyer, from the family, once we emailed them, they changed it. Um, and so that um that was very impactful for me to know that like the written word got something effective done for somebody for a family. Um, and then they messaged me like a week or so, maybe two weeks or so later, to say that thanks to that, they were able to um like their um Judas got bond and it made things so much easier because we were able to get them to shift the country before and like it made paperwork and all the things easier. So that stuck with me. And then I reported on another um immigrant, Yassine Halul, who um is here on our visa and he's at the U of A. Um, but I just came to his door at like six in the morning, handcuffed him, purple handcuffs, and then took him to detention, and he was in um detention for some time, and he told me about the conditions in there, and they were really unfortunate and really unsettling. Um, and it was really hard for him in there. And then he said, Um, one thing that kept him sane were his two friends. Um, they were his age. And then as I'm writing the story, I'm like, hey, can you send me photos for the front photo? He sends me a photo, and it's um him and Judas Rivera. Like yeah, exactly, like the guy I reported on before. And that stuck with me because it it I'm talking about like, oh, it's so important to humanize stories, and it really humanized it for me in that moment, right? Because I was like, oh my god, like the overlap of like I'm people in my community that I'm talking to, and they're now he's sending me a picture of them in iced detention, right? Um, so that was really impactful because it really showed me the scope of like who they're how far I'm reaching, who they're going after, the fact that it's connected. That was so jarring for me. Um student, somebody on their way to work, like exactly 20-year-olds, right? Um and luckily, like they're both out now on bond, and I I'm not sure how things are going now, but um thankfully they're out to tell their stories. Um yeah, so those are the ones that stood out to me the most. Um, especially that um the one with Judas, because it was you saw the impact in real time. Right. Like they finally changed the country of origin.
SPEAKER_00Which is a whole the whole thing in itself that why wouldn't you do that to begin with? Like why well and and just that if you're if you actually are from Afghanistan, like good luck getting bonds. Yeah. Right, exactly. Um, so I mean, so when you're when you're talking to these families and you're talking to people who are dealing with this, how do you how do you navigate like building that trust to to where they will like share these things with you and and show that vulnerability too? Because I imagine, you know, when you're going through something like that or your family member is it would in my view probably be pretty hard to to trust people and to to want to talk about that, I guess, publicly.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. It's that's something that's come up. You know, we've had people who I'll interview them and then we're ready to publish, and then at the last minute they're like, I'm afraid. Like I'm just terrified of what this can mean. Like if the federal government, they're afraid of the federal government, which is really shocking. Like it should not be like that. Not shocking. It it just shouldn't be like that. Yeah. That you're afraid to literally speak to a journalist about what occurred, what happened. That's fact, right? Right. What happened, but you're afraid because um you're hearing about retribution and the potential of not getting bonded and things like that.
SPEAKER_00Being further targeted.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly. Um, so you know, there's a lot of like journalism rules that you learn in school, and some of them, you know, great, but in this political moment, things change, right? So sometimes we'll say, like, we can give you confidentiality, or we can even like not put your last name, or if it's a circumstance of like, I don't know, the the the dad's undocumented, like, you know, just just navigating that in the empathy, yeah, putting safety first because it's our job to document what's happening. Um, it's also they're trusting us with this story. It would be just horrific if somebody was trusting you with a story, and then your story is what makes things worse for them. Right. The whole principle and like the premise is to help folks, not hurt folks. So, like, um I uh I usually like if they don't know me or whatever, um I'll send them like my past articles and I'll I'll tell them like you can look at my articles, my page, you can see like what you're about. Yeah, and I totally get it because there are like gotcha journalists, like you know, there are outlets that are like suspicion, yeah, and shady and all the things, and we never want to do that. So um I also think it helps that being front-facing um and like being in the community, like you know see your authenticity, yeah. Like people will I've had people come up to me recently and they were like, Oh my god, you're always on my Instagram feed. It's like so cool to see like you actually come to things. And I was like, Yeah, like I'm so glad. Like, um, so I think that also builds that sense of familiarity and trust. And just like um, if my source says like I'm uncomfortable with like this, then we're like, okay, like we can work with that. You know, I'm not gonna like keep something in that you're like, I don't want that, and that could harm my safety. The story is not that important, like it is, but I'm not gonna like put you at stake and your family at risk because I want a byline, right? Um, so the shifting um journalism norms or something that people just journalists in the 21st century, as we're talking about the change media landscape, it's a shifted political landscape. Yeah, um, there's serious ramifications for if you mess up. So it's important to be cognizant, to do the right thing, to protect your sources, because you can do more if you protect your sources and you get the story out there, right? Um, then people can help your source, then more people feel comfortable coming to you. Um, it's something that we really pride ourselves on at um Copper, at Copper Courier and Courier in general, is um telling the truth um and also protecting people um in the face of such a turbulent um government, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, to say the least. Um well, so what stories are you working on now? Uh what do people in Air in Arizona need to be aware of that you're maybe working on or wanna want to report on?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so right now I'm doing I'm I think I'm almost done. It might be published like today. Um folks, local businesses impacted by tariffs. Okay. Um, as you know, um, you know, they put tariffs on Trump put tariffs last year, and then the Supreme Court. Legally, yeah. And then the Supreme Court um ruled against them, and then he put another 10% tariff. So it's been shifting. Back and forth? Yeah, so I don't know, like if we publish it today, if something's gonna change tomorrow, but like for right now, um, it's about um Gabe Hagen from Brick Road Coffee and how he's been impacted by um his uh coffee shop has been impacted by um tariffs and like then his not only as his business, but his like um his like dream of opening a roastery was impacted by tariffs, right? So it's about that. Um and then working on something about um slowed down DACA processing times. Okay. Um it's something that people, you know, people know about DACA, but uh software it's like slowed down processing times, that doesn't sound it doesn't mean anything really to people. Yeah, but it really has intense impacts on folks.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Right? Like you you can't work, like you're you're really hindered in what you can and can't do. And that feels intentional, right? For sure. You know, if we're talking about mass deportations and now they're slowing down, you know, like so it's stuff like that, and then we're always doing um new videos. We have three videos a week, and those are really contingent on the news of that week. Um, so yeah, there's just always stuff in the works. Um as we approach closer to the midterms, we're gonna do more about like specifically races and candidates, and we're kind of getting ready for that. Um, but yeah, right now midterms.
SPEAKER_00Who's scared? I'm not ready. Yeah. I'm definitely not ready, but um well, really excited to read those stories. I know the the tariff conversation has been big in Arizona, particularly with Chris Mays leading the lawsuit on that, but um it's very hard to keep up with because it does seem like every other day is every other day tariffs, no, yes.
SPEAKER_03That's what I'm saying. When you have a turbulent government, the turbulence comes with it, right? And it's something that impacts people in real time. And that also means my article changes by the day. Yes.
SPEAKER_00So well, I just have a few fun questions for you to wrap up with. Um, you mentioned that you're a big reader. What book are you reading right now, and what are a few of your favorites?
SPEAKER_03I love, I love reading. I'm a huge reader. Um I didn't study political science, I was gonna study English. I actually did, I I signed up for ACU to study English, and then I changed at the very last minute. Um, but yeah, huge reader. Thanks for noticing. Um, right now I'm currently reading Virginia Gufray's memoir, okay, which has really ignited an anger within me um at like the cover-up and the everything with Abyssine Vials, um, how it's been like memefied, how it's been like made into conspiracies when the actual crimes are so horrific. Right, we don't yeah. Right, like I'm why is this a meme? Like what happened is so jarring.
SPEAKER_00The impact really gets like the fact that there were actually serious crimes in little girls like exactly.
SPEAKER_03Like that is is that not jarring enough? Now we have to make weird conspiracy. Okay, so that's what I'm reading. 75%. It's very impactful. Um, I'm I am I used to work in sexual violence prevention, so I'm I and um, you know, we're both feminists. So, right, like I just am so proud of I don't even know Virginia Graffrey but I am so proud that it takes so much courage um that she led the fight, that she um was a survivor, that she wrote the book um at all. And I would love to see Justice Served. Um I'm also um okay, my favorite books. Um I love I'm a history fanatic, so I love um lilac girls. Have you heard of it? I haven't. Oh my god, it's so good. It's so good. It's about um three different women in um Nazi Germany. Well, well, during the time of Nazi Germany. All the chapters are separate, but eventually their paths cross. Okay.
SPEAKER_00I love a book like that.
SPEAKER_03I love a book like that. They did it so artfully, it was so masterful. So I loved that book. It was I was sobbing by the end. I love The Lion Women of Tehran. Um, it's about um multiple generations of women fighting against fascism, fighting against their government, fighting against injustice, and it's a very feminist book. It's also very um historical. Um as a student of history, I didn't notice any um historical discrepancies or inaccuracies. So I loved that. I love the book Thief. That's also about World War II. That's a good book. I love it. Such a good book. Um For the Sun After Long Nights was written by um a fellow journalist, um, um, two fellow journalists, one from the Washington Post and one from Iran. They're amazing. Um and it's about how they documented the Zedzan Digi Alzadi, the women life freedom movement in 2022 in Iran, how they documented it. Um it's very Iranian women coded, which is like, and it's journalists. So I just felt very like attached to it. Very connected to that. Yeah, exactly. Very connected to it. Um so it was it was such a masterpiece. Um, I have so many, everybody needs to add me on Goodreads. Um, add me on Goodreads. Yeah, like I love that. Yeah, seriously, it's like Sahara Sajati, I think. I'm always posting book reviews on my story. Um, I love to read. What's your favorite book?
SPEAKER_00What's my favorite book? Um let's see. I was not expecting to be a journalist. Yeah, no, that's so true. Um last year I read a book called The Door by Magda Zabo. It's translated from Hungarian and it's about it's set in like kind of like post like immediately post-communist Hungary and it's about a woman and her like housekeeper who lives on her grounds and like kind of their relationship and all of the secrets that she has. It was really, really good. I've noticed that I have unintentionally an affinity for like Eastern European, like translated, like all authors that are writ like written by women. Um so that's something that I read last year that I really liked. Um this year I I finally read Crying in H Mart by That's so good. Yeah, it's it was an amazing book, and then I had to like go through and listen to all her music again after. I did that too after. I went and listened to the book. And then I liked there were several like um like songs that she referenced in the book that were not like songs because she didn't really talk that much about like her her like Japanese breakfast, her one of her projects, but um I know, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, which I didn't expect, but I didn't know about like the music at all like really until like I think I read like the back of the book, and then I was like, what?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, no, I was a fan of her music first and then and then read her book, but um there there were several like artists that she mentioned in the book that then I also like added to my uh Spotify, which I am not on anymore, but I need to translate all of that over.
SPEAKER_03That book you mentioned sounds so good. I might add that to my list. Um, I love translated books because I'm like, that's so it means so much to me that somebody translated it. You know what I mean? I'm like, you are allowing me to read this book that I would not have access to otherwise.
SPEAKER_00I saw an interesting stat and I I have not fact-checked it, but something about like only 1% of the books that are in like available in English have bit are like books that were translated, and then I just think about like all of the literature that we are missing out on. I always think about that.
SPEAKER_03I always think about the books that like I I don't have enough time in my life to read them all. I also think about all the friends I would make if I spoke their language. Because how many people would we be best friends forever with if they spoke our or we spoke their language? I think about that all the time, so we're totally locked in here.
SPEAKER_00On the same page, yeah. Um, right now I'm also reading a book or I'm listening to it right now. It's uh it's called Sky Full of Elephants, and it's about um basically what happens when one day all the white people in America walk into the their nearest body of water and like commit suicide effectively, and then what happens after that? It's like a black, it's a Afro-futurist book. Is it like a cult?
SPEAKER_03How did they get all the white people to do that?
SPEAKER_00Um, so that is a question that I'm like, I'm still reading answer to it yet, but it's we'll have to circle back. Very interesting premise. Um I'm about I think a third of the way through, so still still lots of um information that we don't have about like just what the I'm gonna follow up on this. Yeah, yeah. How did I? It's been really good so far. I had I highly recommend it at this point. So I will add it to my Goodreads. Yes, please do. And I'll have to I'll have to add you on there for sure. Yay. Um okay, so you have a completely free day to do whatever you want. It's a beautiful day in Phoenix with perfect weather, it's not hot yet. What's the itinerary?
SPEAKER_03I literally do this every single weekend. I every single weekend, I'm like, I will have my dream day ever. And that's my self-care. Okay. So I wake up um naturally, my kitty's probably sleeping on me. Um, and then I do my skincare, and then I pack my bag. I'll eat whatever, pack my bag, go to the park. Okay, the park has to have a lake because there's ducks if there's a lake, and I really like ducks.
SPEAKER_00Well, that wouldn't be safe for me in that book, but do you not like ducks? No, the lake. That's funny.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, so I have to go to that park. Um, I will do my yoga. Um, it has to be in the sunlight because I like to photosynthesize. I love to be in the sunlight. Very nice. Um, and then I'll read whatever I'm reading. Um, I will do my cryptograms. Do you know what cryptograms are? I don't. They're so fun. There's I mean nobody thinks that besides me, but they're like a puzzle book. Okay. And it'll do like a sentence, and the sentence is like a code. You have to figure it out. Okay. I have to show you. It's so fun.
SPEAKER_00I like code stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's like Sudoku kind of vibe. So that's really fun. Um I work. They help fight Alzheimer's and dementia. Okay, well, I'm a fan of that. I love doing that.
SPEAKER_00I'm a fan of fighting Alzheimer's and dementia.
SPEAKER_03I'm really passionate about it. Um, so I'll do that. Um, I am also, I've been trying to better my um Varsi literacy. Um, so usually I will just pick a song that I've been listening to and just write it all down um and then see that I in the right hand English to make sure I did it right. Usually by like five, I get hungry. Like I've this is all in the park, mind you. I'll get hungry and it's like it's kinda hot. Like um, and then I'll go eat dinner. Um usually I'll go home, but if I'm going out, I'll go to like Taco Cello. Okay, I love taco taco cello. Like they so good. Taco cello, taco poppy. Um we haven't been to Taco Poppy. They're good, but they're not taco cello. Uh they're both great, but like um, I'll go to Thai, I'll get Thai food, um, and then I'll come home. And then I'll come home, take a shower, do my skincare, watch whatever I'm watching um in my room, light a candle, do my face mask, lights out by 9 p.m. Wow. I need to get on that.
SPEAKER_00I'm not a night person. I need to get on that like in the morning girl. What time do you go to sleep? Um, let's see, depending on who's watching this podcast, I'll say 11 or 12, but the real answer can be like one or two sometimes. No, yeah, no, it's not.
SPEAKER_0311 or 12 is like I we usually wake up like three times a night. So 11 or 12 is like when I my first wake up. Your first. And then two to three is my second. So when you're going to sleep is when I'm like, damn, I'm so tired.
SPEAKER_00Like, well, I I'm I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I really am. Um you said you have a pet, you have a cat, you have a more pets besides that?
SPEAKER_03Yes, I love my kids. So I have Rondo, he is a dog. Um, he's a shihtzu poodle. He's so honorable, he's so sweet. Um he's so honorable. I've never heard a dog described that way. He's so honorable. You have to meet him. Like he's so sweet. Like, he is my um first dog ever. Um, so just feel so attached to him. And he's taught me a lot. Like, this podcast, Becoming About My Dogs, is so funny. But he's taught me a lot. Like, sometimes I'll walk him and instead of rushing, he's like very slow and patient. And I he really taught me to slow down because I'm like, yeah, you're right. Like, why are we rushing? It's like such a nice one. Taking a stroll.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm like, yeah, taking a jaunt. Smell the flowers, you know.
SPEAKER_03So him and then my kitty cat, um Rihanna, um, or Ree, we call her. Cute. She's so cute. She's so small. I don't know why she never got bigger. Um, and then um Mocha. Um, she is the youngest, she's like the most energetic and like crazy. Um, they all have a really unique relationship. Um, it's so funny in my house. Like in my room, my cat gets along with Mocha, but downstairs they don't get along. And we're like, what's what's the problem? That's really interesting.
SPEAKER_00Do you have pets? Um, yeah, so I have a I have a white cat. Her name is Nier. Um, she's named after uh an anime, which there's like a character that wears all white. So um Death Note, if anybody is a fan of anime. Um, and then my boyfriend has a dog, um, and her name is Naga, and after from uh Legend of Korra, Avatar the Last Airbender. So really exposing us both for being anime nerds, but um these pets do not get along super great. They but I think that they like to cause drama like when we're there and they know that they're protected. But we hear from our roommate that when we're not there, like they get along.
SPEAKER_03That's how it is with my pets. I'm like, why is only fighting when we're home? Right.
SPEAKER_00Like, hello. They're messy. Niran Naga? Niranaga, yeah. That's so cute. Of course, they're like four lettered like names, both starting with N. So I'm constantly like, near Naga, near, naga, one of you, whichever one of you is currently in my way. You need to show me a picture after. Yes, I will. Um okay, last question. Is there any good uh is there any good spots for Iranian food in Arizona?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, um, my house. Okay, I was I I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_00I kind of figured that might be.
SPEAKER_03No, my friends are always like, let's go get Mediterranean or Middle Eastern or what I'm like, I hi have that at home. Like, um, no, it's obviously I'm biased because at my house I don't have to pay extra for everything. Um, and I'm vegetarian, so my family will make like vegetarian kebab, which is literally like impossible me season. It's so good. Oh, nice. I need to have I need to bring you something, seriously. Um, so my house, but if I have to leave my house, um, there's really not a lot of Iranian space.
SPEAKER_00Like specifically Iranian ribs.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but there's Persian room, which is really good. Okay. Um, and then I really like Pars cuisine. Okay. They have like um a shiitake mushroom vegetarian kebab. I do like a shiitake mushroom. It's really good, it changed my life. So I really liked that. Um, but ultimately, if you guys really want the best Iranian food, you gotta come over.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, I'll I'll wait for my invite. Well, um, okay, I have one final question to you, and that is, Sahara, what do you refuse to leave unsaid? Dude, I'm a Gemini.
SPEAKER_03Like, I will say everything, but like not a problem for me. I'm like five more hours, perfect. Like, no, okay, um, there's a lot. I really hope that young girls watching this and women like people who are um trying to make sense of like a highly gendered and patriarchal world will watch this and see like two women who like found a field and are true to themselves and their values, right? And like are making it work. I feel like um the traditional understanding of journalism is that it's really um boring, it's drab. Um and make it look fun, I'll say that. Things like that's what that's the goal, right? Like it's one to like give you the news, but it's to not get lost in it and to like meet the changing media landscape. I feel like a lot of times a lot of women and girls will subdue themselves and be less feminine or them and this and that, like whatever, to to fit into like a highly male world, and that it it shouldn't be like that. We need more of men.
SPEAKER_00No, we seriously don't. This is not another bro pod for the record.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. So I hope that people watching this will understand that like you don't have to fit into spaces that are just gonna dull your spark hole. Um, another thing that I will not leave unsaid, um, this is really important to me, as you know, like um my Iranian identity means a lot to me. Um, Iranian people are fighting, putting their bodies on the line against a really turbulent government. Um, in January, um, thousands of people were uh massacred in the streets, and we will we do not know the final number, but we know it's in the thousands, it could be higher than the lowest number. Um, and I hope that people, you know, Arizona is so important and so far away from Iran, but I hope people will understand that Iranian people had their country taken from them overnight. Um, and now they're in a fascist, clerical, authoritarian regime, and we should all be cognizant of how easy that can happen and to fight against that here and globally. So I hope that also people watching this will um pay attention to the Iranian plight. There are um hundreds of people who are at risk of execution if we don't put some type of political pressure to address human rights concerns and to save and spare their lives and protect them from sham trials that will eventually um hand them the death penalty on a ridiculous um try uh charge. So I hope that people watching this will understand the Iranian plight and that Iranian people, especially Iranian women and girls, have been protesting for 47 years in different mechanisms in different ways and will continue to do so. And how easy it is for people to lose um lose a country to a fascist and authoritarian regime. Um, and we should all be cognizant and we should all be on the front lines fighting here in Arizona and trying to protect um a system and fight for a better system.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, that definitely resonates now, and I I definitely love how how proudly and central your Iranian identity is and your online presence. And I think it definitely like that background shows up in your reporting, and I certainly have learned a lot from just like following you and and seeing your updates and and and stuff like that. So I really, really appreciate that, and I hope that everybody hears your words and continues to learn more and to reject the the fascist takeover that we're experiencing here and to speak up for where it's happening across around the world too.
SPEAKER_03Everywhere, right? It's so important everywhere because um yeah, what happens in America can set the foundation for other countries, and so it's so important that in every pocket of the world um people stand up and and fight against it and fight for a better, um, more progressive and better future. Um, starting in Arizona and rippling onwards.
SPEAKER_00Definitely. Well, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it, really enjoyed the conversation, and um want everybody to follow Sahara on social media, follow Copper Courier. They're doing amazing work, and she particularly is doing amazing reporting. And um, the What's the Deal Arizona video series is something you should keep an eye out for three times a week. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_03No, thank you.
SPEAKER_00This, like I said, dream come true. Thank you. That means a lot.